Talk:On the Origin of Species: Jynx

Zwarte Piet

i'm dutch and well what you discribed "zwarte piet" as is wrong actually. he's the helper of Saint Nicholas which is not santaclaus. he's a other induvidual. he has a diffrent approach to what he does and all. but that's a bit too much to explain. in general he comes in november with his steam boat to the netherlands from spain, gives candy to kids *in the places they dock with some boats and stuff* then before he leaves it's a tradition for kids to put their shoe next to the chimney/fireplace on the 5th of december. at which saint nicolas gives the good children candy/presents in their shoe/next to them. at which he uses his horse to get on the roofs, along with the "zwarte pieten" to give the children their goodies. and then go back to spain.

just like to point out he's not santaclaus, just your info from a dutch person here hehe.

I'm Dutch too, and I can tell you the dutch "Sinterklaas" is Santa Claus, or at least was. Santa Claus is largely based on Sinterklaas, a tradition that Dutch colonists took along to North America, and he possibly comes from New York, which was originally a Dutch settling. It is no coincidence that both of these versions of Saint Nicolas are celebrated in December by leaving shoes or stockings at the fireplace. In recent history Santa Claus was readopted into the Dutch culture due to American influences, and dubbed "Kerstman" or "Christmas Man" to avoid confusion with the original.

It's true that they are viewed as quite different individuals here in the Netherlands, but at least they both evolved and commercialized from the same old Dutch tradition. So I believe the description "Dutch Santa Claus" is not inaccurate, despite it being a little misleading from the Dutch point of view.

--Spenvdm 10:21, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, as has been said (and I hope it gets adapted), it's not entirely correct. Saint Nicholas' name in German is Santa Claus, and the modern day Santa comes from the Dutch/Belgian(Flemish at least, dunno about Wallonia)/German legend of Saint Nicholas, patron saint of children, who was actually a Turk (little known fact), but iirc he later moved to Spain. When the colonists went to America, they brought over the tradition, and it turned into the modern Santa Claus when big companies (Coca cola most notably, who weren't the first to use him though) started using him for advertising, depicting him as a rather short tubby guy instead of the traditional tall slim man.--El Nazgir 15:32, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Caroline Boston Weatherford

Wikipedia says her name is Carole Boston Weatherford --Crimsonnavy 23:05, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Oops, so it is. Thanks for noticing! George Hutcheon 23:31, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Brown

Does this mean you consider Iris 'ambiguously brown' as well?--Purimpopoie 00:00, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

At this point, yes! We just don't know enough about her, and her skin tone is about the same as Brock's, to my eyes. I personally believe she's intended to be a non-white/non-Japanese race, but I couldn't prove it. With Aloe, there really is no room for doubt.

Oh, and most of this article was written before Iris was officially revealed ^_^ George Hutcheon 07:15, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

The new black character revealed in that video's name is アロエ, Aloe, or Aroe, depending on how you translate your "L" and "R." --Oleandervine 07:30, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

You forgot one mention of a race change in Pokemon; Rosie. She had her skin color changed from white to black, just because they introduced other skin tones. I have a feeling you don't play too many side games, but considering you mentioned Aloe, the first real black character, it seems odd you'd leave Rosie's race change out. --Jonouchi 00:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Character races weren't really the subject of this article; I was just giving a very brief overview. Rosie (and Sashay, for that matter) weren't relevant to the discussion because their race wasn't a Japanese decision. The character race thing only came up because I was discussing Japanese representation of other races, and neither of those characters were dark-skinned in the Japanese version.

Surprised nobody's mentioned Barlow yet. I liked Barlow... George Hutcheon 01:50, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Mr. Popo

While it certainly is true that Viz's release of the Dragon Ball manga tone down Popo's appearance (by removing his lips), his appearance has never been tampered with in the anime or the majority of other media. I'm aware that I'm being a tad nitpicky here, but still. --Sato 03:52, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Nitpick away! I'm not all that familiar with Dragon Ball, and I wasn't sure to what degree Mr Popo had been edited in different media, so I was being deliberately vague. George Hutcheon 07:15, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I believe the Nickelodeon version if DBZ Kai didn't change Mr. Popo's skin at all. Then again, Funimation hardly makes any drastic changes like this. --Jonouchi 00:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

As I said, the anime version has never tampered with Mr. Popo's appearance. Although, I do believe that they made his speech much more eloquent in the dub than it is in the Japanese version. --Sato 01:38, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Sadly 4kids had to be 4kids and make him blue in DB Kai... Mattwo 03:27, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Misc.

Technically, you could call Pokemon communist - it teaches lessons about working together and caring for one one another in order to strive for a better world where everyone can live peacefully together. This is the original communist idea, not the socialist dictatorships that US politicians tacked the name of communist onto in the 1970-80s. --Oleandervine 07:30, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

They have free healthcare, at the very least. Socialized medicine! Look at me, I'm taking my Corsola before the Death Panel! George Hutcheon 14:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

More Ganguro References

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGIfx7x-Ttk&feature=related

Found this, apparently Team Rocket used this style as their disguise in Battle Aboard the St. Anne, somewhat strengthening the argument that this was the basis for Jynx. PoketoatheFirefox 03:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Who are the real racists?

I think that changing the color from black to purple is more racist, isn't it? If I had a restaurant and didn't let black people enter, I would be racist. If I had a store where black people couldn't buy, I would be racist. So why isn't it racist to exclude black humanoid pokémon from the games? Happy Milk XD 20:32, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

The fact remains that Jinx, is in fact, not a human. Mattwo 03:29, 15 November 2010 (UTC)